Setting the record straight

Guest Commentary

In his recent editorial, “A Prayer for Michael Brown” (Dec. 11), Matt Comer wrote that he is now convinced that I honestly “believe everything that comes out of [my] mouth.” This marks a significant advance from his 2008 editorial in which he claimed that I followed “a carefully plotted and scripted message of ‘compassion,’ ‘love’ and ‘gentleness.’” Today, he believes the love is genuine and the words are sincere, but he feels that I’m operating out of “some sort of deeply-rooted dislocation from reality,” with my words providing “more than ample evidence of a journey into delusion,” all of which underscores my alleged “unique brand of lunacy.”

The basis for these charges is that I supposedly compare “homosexuality to child rape” and that I “paint gay people in the same light as child rapists.” Is this true? God forbid! Why would I compare the forcible rape of an innocent child with the consensual acts of two adults, even if those acts are immoral or wrong?

What I have addressed — and which Matt, it appears, has consistently and persistently misrepresented — is: 1) the similar arguments used by both gay activists and advocates of “man-boy love”; and 2) the failure of many gay leaders to condemn the youthful (and, often fondly-recalled) same-sex encounters of some of their leaders.

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Let me explain briefly. First, we constantly hear that homosexual behavior cannot be considered morally wrong because “I was born this way and I can’t change.” Yet this is the very argument used by pedophiles (among others), who also claim their behavior or orientation is innate and immutable. In response, a gay person would say, “But my sexual acts are not coercive or harmful.” That, however, is an entirely different subject, and it fails to address the obvious question, namely: If claiming that “I was born this way and I can’t change” is no justification for the pedophile’s sexual attractions, how does this argument, in and of itself, justify homosexual attraction? How does saying “I was born this way” provide moral justification for any behavior? Clearly, it does not.

Second, influential gay leaders like Harvey Milk and Larry Kramer and Troy Perry have freely referenced their childhood sexual encounters, often in positive terms, with Milk having his first experience with gay men at the tender age of 11. Kramer once commented, “In those cases where children do have sex with their homosexual elders . . . I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it . . . .”

Where is the widespread condemnation of this in gay circles today? Why is it that I am accused of operating out of “some sort of deeply-rooted dislocation from reality” for allegedly comparing homosexuality to pedophilia (which, again, I have never done), while gay leaders wink at the pederastic past of some of their heroes? Today, Milk is venerated, while those of us who question whether he serves as an appropriate role model are vilified. Could it be that the “deeply-rooted dislocation from reality” is actually on the GLBT side?

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Although there is much more to say, space only allows me to address one final point in Matt’s editorial, namely, the meaning of Christlike inclusion. GLBT leaders often point out (rightly so) that Jesus spent time with those whom society marginalized, specifically the prostitutes and corrupt tax-collectors, commonly viewed as sinners. But what did Jesus do? Did he encourage the prostitutes to serve their clients better? Did he teach the tax-collectors how to extort more money? Of course not. Rather, he reached out to them, got involved in their lives, and changed them. He practiced transformational inclusion, which I wholeheartedly advocate, not affirmational inclusion, which the GLBT community advocates.

I for one am eternally grateful that Jesus didn’t affirm me in my lifestyle. Rather, he died for me and transformed me. And so it is my fervent prayer and hope that Matt will experience this same transforming love. Who would want to resist the life-changing love of God? : :

— To contact Dr. Michael Brown or for more information, visit askdrbrown.org.

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22 Replies to “Setting the record straight”

  1. Tacky and sad attempt to cloud the issue by Mr. Brown. No one is excusing anything Harvey Milk or Larry Kramer, etc. may have done. The point is that folks like Brown constantly try to make some type of connection between homosexuality and pedophilia even when it has been proven that the connection doesn’t exist. Brown would have been better served to have apologized and leave it at that rather than some sad attempt at a backhand slap.

  2. Dr. Brown, I feel just sad and disappointed after reading your article above because I value accurate portrayals of gay men. I did not experience that while reading your commentary.

    If I understand your article the way you intended I get the notion you believe that gays and lesbians were not born gay and that being gay is some sort of choice. It also appears you are advocating we “change” in someway. If that is truly your believe, then no Matt wasn’t off base when he said you were dislocated from reality. The idea that people are born gay is pretty much accepted science. While no gene has been located as of yet, there are many working theories on homosexuality including testosterone levels in the womb. The idea that gays can “change” is also detached from most people’s experience. Trust me Mr. Brown, when I say that every gay person I have ever met wanted desperately to change or having their attractions go away before finally coming to terms with the reality, it isn’t going anywhere. If it were changeable, many of us would have changed it before we grew to accept ourselves for who were are.

    Your attempt to make a comparison to pedophiles also saying they are “born that way” is curious. 1) Where is this claim being made? I have not seen any such claims made by pedophiles. I hear it from anti-gay religious activists like you. I do feel suspicious about why you are making this statement to be honest, I don’t see it as Matt may, as coming from love. It stings of bitterness for me.
    2) There is nothing to compare between gays and pedophiles. To do so only shows how truly ignorant you are about either subject. I can’t help but wonder if you just dug for an opportunity to talk about pedophiles and gays at the same time because it helps keep the fear of gay people going.

    Reluctantly, I will answer you question just to do it. Saying “I was born this way” morally justifies my sexuality, my love and relationship and my life because it is who I am. I spent the first 22 years of my life wishing this was not the case. After finally learning to accept that I am gay, I then also needed to accept that I am worthy of love(romantically), I am worthy of a companion and a partner. And honestly, I don’t really care how pedophiles justify their actions because Mr. Brown pedophilia, homosexuality and me have nothing to do with each other. I am more than offended when I hear people speaking of what they see as the similarities between these things, there are NONE!

    Next, you ask these questions about why gay activist don’t condemn these statements made by Milk or Larry Kramer. I will answer that to! Because most in the gay world and most of the straight world don’t even know these comments were ever made. If they do, they might ask what context were the statements made in? Are you Mr. Brown using these statements in context?

    Not to mention, although I am about to….I don’t really consider these folks “leaders” they are activists for change. They were not chosen as leaders. Larry Kramer does not speak for me, he is not my leader and I don’t really care about what he says.

    Lastly, Mr. Brown, It would appear to me from your website that you know much about what the bible says about gay people and little about who that information applies to. I would invite you to learn about our lives, our struggles and our joys before making all these claims.

    Sincerely,
    Joe Brummer

  3. Alvin,

    How can I apologize for something I never said or did? Rather, shouldn’t the person who misrepresented my position apologize? And how does your repeating of a falsehood make it so? There was no backhand slap intended, and I clearly meant what I wrote. Can you read the words themselves without trying to spin their intent?

    With regard to Harvey Milk then, are you saying that you do not believe he is a good role model for young people, given his own, well-known sexual history?

    Please do let me know your thoughts. Thanks!

  4. Joe,

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts with candor. A few quick replies:

    1) Some of the same scientific researchers who argued for the removal of homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder in 1973 have argued for years that pedophilia should also be removed. This is hardly a secret. Moreover, many researchers (pro-gay, at that), believe that pedophilia is innate and immutable, in the same way they believe homosexuality is innate and immutable. Does that affect how you view pedophiles? I would think not, and that’s the point I was making.

    2) PLEASE re-read my editorial. I was NOT comparing pedophilia and homosexuality (how much more clearly can I state that?). I was comparing the arguments used to justify the orientations.

    3) I know many men and women who came out of homosexuality by the power and grace of God. For some, it was dramatic and instant, for others it took years of struggle — but they are glad to be where they are today.

    4) Re: the statements of Kramer and Milk and others, they have been quoted in context, and when their comments are brought to the attention of the GLBT community, generally speaking, those comments are ignored. Why? Why not simply condemn them?

    5) I have spent years interacting with gays and lesbians — be it while flying overseas or within the States, be it over a meal, be it interacting with a relative who identifies as a transsexual, be it reading many books written by gay authors and leaders. I have wept over your struggles; I have shared with many Christian leaders the tremendous rejection and pain that many of you have suffered; and I have apologized for the failings of the Church to reach out to you with the love of God. And I would be more than glad to sit with you and hear your story as well.

    Is it a sin against you that I believe that Jesus can so deeply transform you that even your sexual and romantic desires can be changed? Is that hatred, or is that love?

    Again, thanks for being open and honest.

  5. Michael,

    Number 1. – What researchers? Who? This is not a mainstream argument. I would like to see the facts of this not “some researchers”…names? dates? Papers? When was this made? What are the facts and can you back them up? Will this turn out to be some obscure claim? Not buying it. I think you just wanted to write and article that talks of homosexuality and child predators to instill fear. Honestly, I feel sick by that as I value more accuracy.

    Number 2. – Michael, by arguing the arguments for each orientation, you are also comparing the two. You seem to be saying if one is okay based on “x” then the other must be okay too and that is upsetting for most of us. You may not have intended to have your article read as a comparison and that doesn’t change the fact most of us read it as such. You alienate more of us than you reach with that.

    Number 3. No, you know people who claim to have left homosexuality. The claims have not been backed up and more research supports the opposite. I side with the research. If anyone has “left” homosexuality, it is very few people. I can’t and don’t expect many others to do so. It is a cruel idea and that is exactly why ALL licensed mental health professionals preach the opposite.

    Number 4. I am not in the business of condemning others. I leave that to people like you. I disagree with their comments and I don’t support them. I don’t care what they said and by bowing to your wishes just because you want us to, the condemnation is more about you than them or me. Would you expect we should condemn everything I disagree with said by gay activist? I don’t agree with most gay activists or their approach. I don’t spend much time or energy on it. It seems you do that for me, why do I need to?

    Number 5. You ask if it is a sin against me that you believe…..etc… No, it isn’t a sin. It is just misguided in my eyes with what I know. Is it hatred? No and I also do not see it as love. Michael, I have seen you debate, I have read your site and I see someone who has an agenda to change and convert rather than be present and understand. I personally wouldn’t trust that you actually hear anyone’s story.

    I end all that by saying, I have a great relationship of now going on 11 years. I have grown to love and accept myself just as I am without shame or fear. While I don’t expect you to do the same, I also don’t believe expecting gays and lesbians to live celibate, lonely lives as you preach meets my definition of love, especially with the newest and latest research on sexuality that has been published.

    Peace and Happy New Year!

    -Joe

  6. Joe,

    Peace and a Happy New Year to you! Thanks again for taking the time to write, and thanks for ending so graciously when it has to do with something so intensely personal.

    I have no desire to argue with you, so I’ll reply as concisely as possible.

    1) With regard to claims about pedophilia and pederasty, I back this up in meticulous detail (and many references to scientific papers) in Chapter Seven of my forthcoming book A Queer Thing Happened to America, due out in early March. To give you a small glimpse of the discussion, you can start with the Archives of Sexual Behavior, vol. 31 (2002). The book will provide plenty of detailed information when it’s out.

    2) I understand that in your eyes I’m making a comparison between pederasty and homosexuality, but since I’m not, I’d like to ask you why you’re unable to see that. Some researchers claim that there’s a violent gene. Does that justify violent behavior? Others claim that there’s a selfish gene, or an obesity gene. The list goes on and on. The bottom line is saying, “I was born this way” (whether it’s true or not) cannot be used to argue for the morality of an act or desire. Can you at least agree with this principle?

    3) No, I know people (including my late brother-in-law) that went from homosexuality to heterosexuality, and I know licensed professionals with published research who back that claim. If you’d like to read more on this, just let me know. I also know people who tried to change and could not, others who have overcome homosexual desires but have not developed heterosexual desires, and others, as I said, who have changed totally. All things are possible with God!

    4) Nothing to reply to here.

    5) Perhaps you’re misjudging me, just as I you feel I’m misjudging others? Is that possible? And it is possible that I really do want to reach out to people with the message of God’s love while at the same time, I want to hear their stories and understand their lives? And doesn’t common sense tell you that if you really want to show someone genuine love, you need to understand them first?

    Again, I’m not out to condemn you, Joe, and you stand and fall before God, not before me. And the offer still stands to sit down with you (and your partner too) if there’s anything you’d like to share with me face to face.

    Once more, thanks for reaching out and thanks for the kind wishes.

  7. Michael,

    I am only going to address your last point because it is the only one it find important. I could be misjudging you, true. I don’t think I am and here is why….

    I would enjoy meeting with you and again, I feel doubt and fear because I do not trust in your ability to connect with me or my story (or any other gay person). Here is why:

    You believe you are right (moral christian) and I am wrong (immoral homo) and as long as that is true, which is clearly is from your writings, videos, debates, etc…we have no chance at true compassion or connection.

    When you start with the premise that you “right” and I am “wrong”, it is not compassion. Compassion isn’t about a relationship between the healer (Christian) and the wounded (homo), it is about a shared humanity. I can’t actually picture that happening with a man whose mind is made up based on his religion.

    I love Gandhi’s words when he said something to the effect of true dialogue is when both parties are willing to change. The bible may be dead on in what it says, and we all could be wrong about how we interpret it.

    Anyway, Happy New Year!

    Peace.

    -Joe

  8. Joe,

    May your New Year truly be blessed!

    For the record, I’m very happy to meet with you and hear your story even if you’re totally sure I’m wrong. People don’t need to be on the same page to start an honest dialog, do they? Plus, even if you don’t change my views (or I yours), we can both understand each other better my face to face conversation, which can only be for the good, right? Also, I don’t define you by your homosexuality; that is simply one aspect of your personhood, not the totality of who you are. As for our shared humanity — that is a given. Each of us is uniquely broken (and gifted) and in need of God’s mercy and love.

    Thanks again for your kind wishes.

    Michael

  9. Michael,
    Be sure to look me up when you pass through New England.

    Happy New Year!

    -Joe

  10. Joe,

    Sounds like a deal! Also, I hope to be on the air in Boston beginning Feb. 7th, so you can always call into the show one day and air your views if you so desire. (Details to follow shortly.)

    God’s richest blessings to you in this New Year!

    Michael

  11. I thought this was an interesting article. Personally, I have analyzed what causes one to be gay for many years (also known as my entire life). I have also had the curiosity to ask many questions of human sexuality, including pedophilia. I found people have a knee-jerk reaction when discussing pedophilia and most believe it is a “wiring problem.” If it is true that it is a “wiring problem,” then how is it not a wiring problem for gays (I ask myself)? My conclusion: Neither is a “wiring problem.” I have come to believe that gays are not born gay and pedophiles are not born pedophiles. Sexual attraction and sexual orientation are complex, and the core of the development occurs during our early or even pre-adolescence. A child has little to no control over how this develops. It can be said no one has a choice in their sexual orientation, but in my opinion, they are not born that way.

    Anyway, Dr. Brown, I do not understand why you feel the topic of the “born that way” reason is relevant. It is not too different than someone pointing out that mainstream religions use the same reason as radical Muslims to justify beliefs: “It is God’s will.” Why do Jews not eat pork? God’s will. Why do radical Muslims become suicide bombers? God’s will. Why are gays okay with who they are? They were born that way. Why are pedophiles okay with who they are? They were born that way. Why are straight people okay with their heterosexuality? They were born that way. I hope this demonstrates why the topic of your article is irrelevant.

    A much better question though is distinguishing straights, gays, and pedophiles. I will skip weighing pros and cons and jump to the conclusion: Gays, like straights, contribute to goodwill of humans while pedophiles do not. Pedophilia should be repressed, that is the sad truth. There is too much harm to be had if it was not so. And I am sure there are pedophiles out there who have repressed their urges, and my heart goes out to them. I have said that out loud before, and I get gasps (the knee-jerk reaction, again). I save my gasps for those pedophiles who have given into their urges at the expense of a child’s innocence.

    One last point. You said you have witnessed gays change their sexual orientation. I have looked into this and the most “generous” study (and the methods used in the study are highly questionable) show around a 60% success rate. For the sake of argument, lets go with those questionable results. So what should the other 40% who are unable to change their sexual orientation do? I see they have four options: (1) Be celibate; (2) Enjoy the pleasures that a same-sex relationship can offer them; (3) Enter into a heterosexual relationship; or (4) Commit suicide. Which do you recommend? I am interested in hearing your thoughts. If you do respond, please try not to use Jesus in your explanation. I spent over 20 years of my life living and studying the gospel. I have determined that it has many pros and offers a great deal to humanity (it had a big part of who I am today), but in the end I determined the teachings of Jesus and the gospel were yet another creation of man. The real truths in the gospel can be explained without citing Bible references.

  12. Jeff,

    Thanks for taking the time to write, and thanks for the excellent questions.

    Re: the born that way argument, I only raised it because it is constantly used as a pro-gay argument — “Innate and immutable!”; “Gay is the new black!” — and, as you rightly state, it is a fundamentally flawed argument, for more reasons than one. My point in raising it in my response to Matt Comer was to correct his erroneous statement that I compare homosexuals to child rapists. As I pointed out, I compare arguments used by gays and pedophiles, not the acts.

    As for the larger comparisons you want to make, again, you and I agree that sexual or romantic acts between consenting adults should be totally distinguished from child rape. Absolutely! The question is: Are homosexual acts morally neutral? You would say yes and I would say no, primarily since I derive my morals from the Scriptures and you do not, but since you’ve asked me not to bring Jesus into the picture here, I’ll simply let our differences on this point stand without trying to defend my viewpoint. (I do believe, however, that a strong case can me made that heterosexual relationships are preferable to homosexual relationships — both for the sake of families and individuals — without using the Bible to prove that point, but again, I understand we differ on that.)

    To answer your last question, first, I believe that, from the standpoint of scientifically documented studies, you are being too generous in terms of positive results, so I’ll put the figures lower than yours, which underscores our question even more.

    To answer your question head on, I have to ask you a question: Is a homosexual relationship morally wrong? If it is, then celibacy or change (with the goal of entering into a heterosexual relationship) are the only options (since suicide, being self-destructive and an act of self-murder, is not an option). If it is not, then do as you please. Ultimately, you won’t answer to me or I to you. We will stand before God. (Of course, we differ on that point too.)

    Now, having answered in a clinical, dispassionate way, I do NOT take this subject lightly, and I’m fully aware that many GLBT people have been through hell and back trying to change. To the extent that you have struggled in any way over these issues in past years, my heart goes out to you, and to repeat, I don’t take such struggles (or rejection you may have experienced) lightly.

    Ultimately, though, the questions are not: Was I born this way? Are my desires and urges strong and almost uncontrollable? Rather, the question is: Is this right? I assume that 99% of the readers here will tell me, “You better believe my homosexual desires and attractions are right,” but I still put the question out there, especially for those with religious backgrounds.

    Thanks again for writing.

  13. I can not think of a reason why it is not right for me to live a healthy, monogamous sexual life that does not harm or negatively affect anyone. My family is happy for me, my partner’s family loves and supports my relationship, and my partner’s children are living better lives because of it. Your motives appear to be based entirely on religious teachings, so I can not take what you say at face value as religion has hurt me and my family much more than it ever helped. Thanks for the article any way, as it made me think. I hope you change your views on the worth of gay relationships. They can be a positive asset to your community, much more than celibate singles.

  14. Just the idea that one would expect gays and lesbians to live lonely celibate lives without the benefits that come with romance, love, intimacy and connection seems more immoral to me than gay relationships have ever sounded. Taking a step back from that…and asking millions of people to refrain from falling in love sounds cruel. Listen to the hundreds of thousands of songs written about the pain of unrequited love. Read Shakespeare sonnets and see his pain at falling in love with someone he cannot have. Why on earth would you wish that on someone for their live and do it on purpose?

    Really Michael? Really? I have a hard time believing anyone would wish that on anyone. That alone should be enough for you to step back and take a second look at how you have interpreted the words of the bible. To think, maybe you got this one off base?

  15. Just the idea that one would expect gays and lesbians to live lonely celibate lives without the benefits that come with romance, love, intimacy and connection seems more immoral to me than gay relationships have ever sounded. Taking a step back from that…and asking millions of people to refrain from falling in love sounds cruel. Listen to the hundreds of thousands of songs written about the pain of unrequited love. Read Shakespeare’s sonnets and see his pain at falling in love with someone he cannot have. Why on earth would you wish that on someone for their live and do it on purpose?

    Really Michael? Really? I have a hard time believing anyone would wish that on anyone. That alone should be enough for you to step back and take a second look at how you have interpreted the words of the bible. To think, maybe you got this one off base?

  16. Jeff,

    I’m glad I made you think, and I can assure you that I’m also thinking about these issues from the perspective of the LGBT side as well.

    In point of fact, I’m not basing my views only on “religious teachings,” although God’s Word is the foundation for my life, without apology or shame. That being said, remember that in the context of my beliefs, I’m not telling you to be miserable or celibate. I’m telling you that God has a better way, a way of extraordinary internal transformation, a way of even more wonderful love, beginning with relationship with Him.

    Thanks, again, for the interaction.

  17. Joe,

    As I just posted to Jeff, I’m not saying you cannot love. (Plus, that’s not my business to tell you what you can and can’t do.) I’m simply pointing you to a more wonderful love, beginning with the love of God the Father, expressed face to face through the love of Jesus, God’s Son, and experienced in our own hearts in a way that changes everything about us, to the core of our being, even to the point that heterosexual love can flow as well.

    That being said, it’s not my job to tell you what you can or can’t do in private with your adult friend or partner, or who you can or can’t love. That’s between you and God. But if someone asks me for my viewpoint, I’ll share it. Fair enough?

    Also, to give you insight into my beliefs, let’s say my next door neighbors were a gay couple. I would do my best to be a good neighbor to them; my wife and I would invite them over to my house to talk and have a meal; we would help them if they had a need; we wouldn’t try to stop them from living together anymore than we’d try to stop a man and woman living together outside of wedlock, but in both cases, we would try to lead them to Jesus and, through that, to repentance. If they chose not to hear that message, we’d still be a friend and a neighbor — but we would not redefine marriage or family to accommodate their orientation or attraction. On what basis? And for what purpose?

    The bottom line, still, is this: Are homosexual acts morally neutral, immoral, or morally good? This is where we fundamentally differ, correct?

  18. Dr. Brown,

    Yes, our opinions differ on whether a gay relationship is “moral.” Just as our opinions differ on wether it is acceptable to permit religious faith to overrule plain logic. Faiths come in many stripes, and one day you may come up against someone else’s faith who says you are immoral and should repent for something you believe is beautiful, wonderful and natural. If that day comes for you, I hope you stay true to yourself and not give in to the craziness of another’s faith. I will do the same.

  19. Jeff,

    Thanks for your non-defensive comments in a context in which it would be very easy for you to feel attacked. As for religious faith overruling plain logic, I’d put it like this: Our information base and our experience are often greatly limited, and what may appear to be a challenge to our logic will, if true, prove to be logical in the end. That’s been my own experience with my faith to date: It never overrules what is ultimately true, and thus, in the end, what I believe proves to be logical as well. But that discussion takes us too far afield and cannot fairly be addressed in this context.

    So, thanks for your sentiments and for the interaction here. As much as I write, be assured that I also listen.

  20. I am a Messianic Jew who is a proud member of a Southern Baptist Church. Formerly was a member of First Woodstock where several years ago we hosted a Focus on the Family sponsered conference on Gay and Lesbian lifestyle issues. This was run by a branch of Focus on the Family which focuses on these lifestyle issues as it relates to the bible and as to the realities of this lifestyle which Gays claim they were born with.
    Testimony by former gay lifestyle members of this organization which goes around the country to educate both gay and non-gay people about this lifestyle and reality.
    I firmly disagree with the comments above in which people say that Dr. Brown doesn’t see reality but these people do.
    The fact of the matter as stated by former gays at the conference I attended and experts who work with gays and state their experience is that the majority of gays and lesbians are so BY CHOICE.
    This was evidenced by the stories of former gay men and women in the conference working for this organization to spread the truth and turn gay people around in their sexual orientation to bible based relationships and normal male/female relationships in their new lives.
    I think Dr. Brown is totally on the money in that most adults make a conscious choice to choose the gay lifestyle for a variety of reasons NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY! Their is no argument that some were born that way and others because of no male role model when growing up become effeminate and gay. The sad part is that so many gays believe that they don’t have a choice which has profound effect on their lifestyly and instead of a normal life of meeting a woman, falling in love, getting married and having children as God intended, their lifestyle is focused on of man to man relationships and sex instead of the fullness of a more normal life.
    Secondly, they fail to realize that the gay community’s agenda to make their lifestyle acceptable corrupts young people into testing and going into that lifestyle because it is so much easier than trying to have a normal relationship with the opposite sex.
    Thirdly, just like normal male sexual desires which abundantly make them attracted to young, nubile females, teens as evidenced by the number of pornagraphic websites featuring these teens, gays are also attracted to young nubile and attractive teen and youner males which they corrupt into the gay lifestyle.
    These things I have enumerated are reality, not lunacy!
    I know from personal experience that when sexually frustrated that man to man can be a sexual alternative to get release. Fortunately for me I love women and am an ultra-feminist.

    God created me for His purpose to be in ministry to serve Him which is the focus of my life. He also gave me the spirit of unconditional love which is the foundation of God and I love everybody!
    I don’t love gay people any less because they have chosen that lifestyle (including those who are not by choice)while not condoning that lifestyle. I feel bad because come judgement day, those by choice have to answer to God and pay for their disobedience to God’s word and commandment.
    Life here on earth is a mere period in a giant dictionary of eternaty in relation to time and we all end up spending eternaty either in heaven or hell.
    People make choices ignoring the reality of God and the truth of the bible when so much is at stake!
    God has commanded me to serve Him so that as many people as possible will except His truth and end up in Heaven, that is my mission and my joy in life to spread the Gospel and God’s love. Every person going to Hell pains God greatly!
    He did not create us so He could watch this happen, He wants all to share in the life to come and be with Him!

  21. Stewart,

    Your claimed resume on gay issues is pitiful. I wonder if your delusions of grandeur inspire you to believe you would make an excellent crime buster after watching one episode of CSI.

    The Focus on the Family organization is the same who published the “study” I mentioned in my thread above that claims there is a 60% success rate in gays transitioning to straights. Even Dr. Brown said that this study has “too generous in terms of positive results.” Let me break down for you what this means: The majority of gays cannot change! Even using Focus on the Family’s studies show that success is not possible in a huge number of cases. I am of the opinion that gays are not “born that way.” But I do think that sexual orientation is developed at a very early age. How can you say that a small child chose to be gay? In the end, I believe no one chooses to be gay or straight, it is how or bodies develop.

    By the way, please explain what you said above:

    “I know from personal experience that when sexually frustrated that man to man can be a sexual alternative to get release. Fortunately for me I love women and am an ultra-feminist.”

    You have had gay sex? You are a feminist? You might be a bi-sexual with transgender tendencies. If so, we welcome you here.

  22. Jeff,

    I just spotted your comment from one month ago, and if you happen to spot this one, could you please give me the details (name, publication info, etc.) of the report you state was published by Focus on the Family claiming a 60% success rate for people wanting to leave homosexuality? Thanks!

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